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Post by Admin on Jul 9, 2017 20:33:15 GMT -6
Study Begins: July 9, 2017
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1 For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this tent we groan, longing to put on our heavenly dwelling, 3 if indeed by putting it on we may not be found naked. 4 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened--not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5 He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. 6 So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord. 9 So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil. English Standard Version
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Post by john on Jul 10, 2017 5:40:05 GMT -6
Going back to the close of chapter 4, Paul writes "..don't focus on what is seen,,,but (rather focus) on what is unseen" because what is unseen in this present world is eternal. (My Paraphrase). Continuing in 5:1 "For we know" that when our earthly tent (this body) dies, God has a new eternal dwelling prepared for our spirit in eternity.
Praise God! However, why don't I always live like that? What makes me chase after the shiny objects of this world? I'm not better at times than a fish attracted to an artificial lure. I'm returning to my vomit when I lose track of what is unseen and I focus on the things right in front of me. Satan can presen us with a new shiny object or we can fall for an old one, when we do not keep our eyes on our eternal home and Christ Jesus. Forgive me Lord for I have once again forgotten what you showed me last week. We must be ever vigilant of our Enemy who is always on the prowl but ALSO aware of the evil tendencies of the guy in the mirror.
Rescue me Lord from this body of death.
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Post by john on Jul 11, 2017 0:51:03 GMT -6
"...so that mortality may be swallowed up by life." (2 Cor 5:4): Paul emphasizes here just what mankind lost in the garden deception when the serpent said, "No! You will not die." (Gen 3:4). We were created by God to live forever in God's presence but the sin of self peddled by the Evil One, began the death process that today we all experience. Praise God, however that He through Christ Jesus overcame this curse and returned our life. In our current state however, we long for our eternal bodies as daily the crush of sin in the world squeezes us. At times, the longing is so great that we groan for God to take us home.
Father, I am ready now to shed this earthen vessel and come home, but Thy will be done now on earth as it is in heaven. Use me today in this tent for your good purpose, and when its time take me into your arms forever, in Jesus name I pray!
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Post by john on Jul 11, 2017 16:45:59 GMT -6
JB and family, This section of the study has exposed me to myself! I am inwardly focused much of the time and as JB admits, it is digging into my heart. I pray that more of you would join in the studies. What was once a lively and I believe Spirit-filled place to gather on line has become quite dry. JB is pouring out his heart and we and he are reaping the spiritual reward. I challenge you all to return and contribute to this once very rich online community. Blessings John
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Post by JB on Jul 15, 2017 20:31:26 GMT -6
Recap/Transition
I don’t want to jump straight into Chapter 5 as if it stands on its own. It is intricately connected to the previous section. So - fair warning - I’m going to spend a little time here summarizing the essentials of Chapter 4. If you want to skip it, just go to my next post. I encourage you to not do that though. This recap was essential to my own fuller understanding of our current section. It might prove useful to you too. In the previous verses we learned that “ we who are alive are always being given over to death for Jesus' sake, so that his life may be revealed in our mortal body” ( 2 Cor 4:11). As Christians, we can expect to suffer. Most suffering in this world seems meaningless, that is, without a purpose. It seems either unfair or self-inflicted. People are willing to suffer for good purposes. Soldiers, police, firefighters, and others subject themselves to intense agony and suffering for the benefit of the masses. We’d gladly give up a kidney or go through the painful aftereffects of donating bone marrow to save the life of someone we love. We’d sacrificially give money to pull someone out of dire straits, even when it is difficult for us. We’ll work out and endure pain if we’re committed to the health benefits of exercise. It all still hurts, but the pain is worth it and even inspires us because we know and value the suffering's purpose. But marital affairs? Child abuse? Famine? Poverty? Evil dictatorships? For that sort of purposeless suffering we complain, cringe and cry. What a relief that the suffering God promised faithful Christians has a purpose higher than any of those things! It achieves for us an eternal glory ( 2Cor 4:17). So death produces life, suffering produces glory! Our troubles are only external ( 2Cor 4:16) – that is, they are only in our corrupt flesh, not in our spirits. Compared to the eternal glory they’re working toward, they are “ light and momentary” ( 2Cor 4:17). For that reason, we fix our eyes on the things that are invisible and hidden ( 2Cor 4:18) – our future resurrection, perfection, freedom, and unhindered fellowship with God. You see, it was because “ our outer man is decaying, yet our inner man is being renewed” that Paul could call the outwardly extreme suffering he endured “momentary, light affliction” because it “ is producing for us an eternal weight of glory far beyond all comparison” ( 2Cor 4:16-17). Can I encourage you to read that last paragraph again? Can I also encourage you to pray about that topic in your life? I’m assuming that, like me, you are a 21st century spoiled brat when it comes to discomfort and unfulfilled desires. We have to reckon with 3 things that Hebrews says about Christ’s perfection: - Jesus was tempted in every way as we are (Heb 4:15)
- Jesus was without sin (Heb 4:15)
- Jesus was made perfect through suffering (Heb 2:10).
Is that last one a shocker to you? Does it challenge your beliefs as it does mine that Jesus’ perfection came through suffering rather than through sinlessness? Bear with me while I break this down so there is no misunderstanding. There aren’t very many things I haven’t been tempted by in this life, but I’ve never been tempted by narcotic abuse. So do I get credit for never having abused narcotics? Of course not. If Jesus was never tempted and never sinned, would that be a big deal? No. Sinlessness without temptation has no perfecting value. How could it? Jesus the man was perfected because He suffered through the struggle against every human temptation without giving in even once. So Paul said that our afflictions – the suffering he said all genuine Christians will face, which tempts us to turn back – are producing for us an eternal glory that has infinite value ( 2 Cor 4:16-17). As John MacArthur said so well, “ The true gospel is a call to self-denial. It is not a call to self-fulfillment.” We should respond to suffering like the Apostles in Acts 5:41 who “ left the Sanhedrin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy of suffering disgrace for the Name.” To the Christians in Thessalonica, Paul wrote “ your perseverance and faith in all the persecutions and trials you are enduring… is evidence that God's judgment is right. As a result, you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering” ( 1Th 1:4-5). What is God telling you in the following words? - “Consider him who endured such opposition from sinful men, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart. In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood”
(Heb 12:3-4) - “If you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps”
(1 Pet 2:20-21)
This purposeful suffering, and the hope of becoming perfect, is where Paul picks up in chapter 5. Let’s dig in to those first ten verses now.
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Post by JB on Jul 15, 2017 20:37:27 GMT -6
2 COR 5:1-4 1 Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands.
Regardless of how intense our suffering is, we don’t fear death because, if we die how much the better! We’ll live in a mansion built by God Himself. The greatest riches of this fallen world can’t touch that.
2 Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling 3 because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. 4 For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.
Not only do we not fear death, we actually long for it. Right now, like Adam and Eve, we find ourselves ashamed at our nakedness as we stand before God. But after death we will stand fully clothed in His presence.
When our first parents sinned, they lost their eternal heavenly bodies and inherited earthly tents – earthly bodies of skin-covered flesh that were susceptible to suffering, corruption, and death. They were naked and ashamed before their creator.
God will use that same suffering, corruption, and death to perfect us now. One day we won’t be naked anymore. We will be “overclothed” (the literal Greek for v. 2).
Until then we are burdened and groan, not because of suffering but because we must lug around these bodies of death rather than enjoy unhindered fellowship with our Father.
Question: Does it make you feel uncomfortable to long for death? If so, does it feel wrong because your motive for welcoming death would be to be done with suffering rather than to be with God? What does this tell us about ourselves?
2 Cor 5:5-6 5 Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose…
Q: For what purpose? A: To be clothed with our heavenly dwellings.
…and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
Q: And why did He deposit His Spirit in us? A: To guarantee our future transformation – that is, to ease our groaning and give us confidence right now.
6 Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord.
» 2 Cor 5:7-10 7 We live by faith, not by sight.
“Live by faith a not by sight” has been quoted in many contexts. In this original context it simply means that we live lives longing for our heavenly bodies that will not suffer, and in faith we are confident that our present sufferings are “achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all” (4:17).
8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. 9 So we make it our goal to please him, whether we are at home in the body or away from it.
This confidence wells up in us and produces a desire to please God – not because pleasing Him saves us, but because He is saving us Himself by His own will. The Greek of v. 9 doesn’t contain the phrase “in the body.” That phrase was added by the translators for clarity. More literally the verse says “we make it our goal to please Him whether at home or away.”
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
Does this verse suggest that we’ll be saved or damned by our works? It’s certainly easy to jump to that conclusion, but I don’t think that is the intent. That would be inconsistent with salvation by grace.
But the verse doesn’t mention “saved.” It simply says that we will receive what is due us for our works.
In Christ, our works don’t save us and our sin doesn’t damn us. But our reward in heaven will be different based upon our good and bad deeds done as Christians.
For example, 1 Cor 3:11-15: “For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.”
This is all part of our purification.
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Post by JB on Jul 16, 2017 18:58:35 GMT -6
"What makes me chase after the shiny objects of this world? I'm not better at times than a fish attracted to an artificial lure." John - That is a priceless and so accurate analogy to a problem you and I (at least) both face. The things that are seen seem so much more real and more within our grasp. They are designed by marketers and other advocates to appeal to our desires - the very desires God put in us for Him to fulfill. Those advocates are talented at making small things look big, optional things look necessary, and temporary things look permanent. Artificial lures. I want to say we have trouble with invisible things. But I got to talk extensively with a blind Christian a few decades ago. She said seeing Christians often think it's easier for her to not become distracted because she can't see. But sounds, tastes, and textures in particular lured her. She assured me that her temptations were every bit as great as the rest of ours. Artificial lures. James breaks this down for us in a very clear and recognizable way. " A man’s temptation is due to the pull of his own inward desires, which can be enormously attractive. His own desire takes hold of him, and that produces sin. And sin in the long run means death" (James 1:14-16, The New Testament in Modern English"). jb
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Post by lindas on Jul 16, 2017 20:23:48 GMT -6
John, I heard your cry! . After reading this section a portion in Revelation came to mind. 14:13. "And I heard a voice from Heaven, saying unto me, “Write: ’Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from henceforth.’” “Yea,” saith the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works do follow them.” I wonder if that is what Paul was trying to convey when he said "For in this we groan earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven. If so being clothed we shall be not be found naked....mortality would be swallowed up of life." Dying would be no more, the conflict would be over, and finally rest would be our portion. "That they may rest from their labours, and their works do follow them." "For we must all appear before the judgement seat of Christ..." I have been struggling with the why of suffering for a while and find myself questioning God what is really my purpose. If He would just give me a little clarity to keep me going. But perhaps this is the answer I needed to heed. "...wherefore we labor, that whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him." I guess the suffering is to shake us loose from the things that get in the way of our purification. There are certain things the flesh doesn't want to let go. The suffering brings us to the place to realise we are better of without it.
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Post by elacey on Jul 17, 2017 17:03:03 GMT -6
Awaiting the new body...
Paul taught us in 1 Corinthians 15:52 that (paraphrasing)... "in a twinkle, at the sound of the last trumpet, the dead would be raised and clothed immediately with an everlasting imperishable body".
And in the next few versus that follow he teaches us that this is indeed a victory over death... "O Death, Where is your sting? "
The main points to take away...
1.We should not be too at home in this earthly body.
For the young with seemingly perfect earthly bodies, the message is that your beautiful body will not last.
The the sick and diseased and adding and elderly... The "ugly" noon famous normal masses... Average people... Don't get too fixed on wishing you had a better earthly body. For this only takes you away from God.
2. Be confident as a believer that God will provide you with a perfect body when Jesus returns. In the meantime until that day, he has given us the Holy Spirit. We live our live as a Christian by FAITH... Not by sight. We know that God will reward us for our obedience as we choose the path of living for God.
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Post by elacey on Jul 17, 2017 17:04:37 GMT -6
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Post by JB on Jul 17, 2017 20:38:08 GMT -6
Linda - I've missed you, sis!. So glad to have you back! You wrote: After reading this section a portion in Revelation came to mind. 14:13. "And I heard a voice from Heaven, saying unto me, “Write: ’Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from henceforth.’” “Yea,” saith the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works do follow them.” I wonder if that is what Paul was trying to convey... I have been struggling with the why of suffering for a while and find myself questioning God what is really my purpose. If He would just give me a little clarity to keep me going. But perhaps this is the answer I needed to heed. "...wherefore we labor, that whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him." I guess the suffering is to shake us loose from the things that get in the way of our purification. There are certain things the flesh doesn't want to let go. The suffering brings us to the place to realise we are better of without it. That passage from Revelation was spot on for additional insight into Paul's message here. Thank you for making that association. You also wrote: I have been struggling with the why of suffering for a while and find myself questioning God what is really my purpose... I guess the suffering is to shake us loose from the things that get in the way of our purification. There are certain things the flesh doesn't want to let go. The suffering brings us to the place to realise we are better of without it. Amen. I ask God why I suffer. He tells me to re-read Genesis 3 and Revelation 22, then come ask Him again.
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Post by JB on Jul 17, 2017 20:47:21 GMT -6
Eric - Glad to hear from you again! I've missed you too. You wrote: Awaiting the new body... 1.We should not be too at home in this earthly body. For the young with seemingly perfect earthly bodies, the message is that your beautiful body will not last. The the sick and diseased and adding and elderly... The "ugly" noon famous normal masses... Average people... Don't get too fixed on wishing you had a better earthly body. For this only takes you away from God. 2. Be confident as a believer that God will provide you with a perfect body when Jesus returns. In the meantime until that day, he has given us the Holy Spirit. We live our live as a Christian by FAITH... Not by sight. We know that God will reward us for our obedience as we choose the path of living for God. Question - Our culture is obsessed with doing things to stay healthy - or at least talking about doing things to stay healthy. I know of several people who spend so much time at the gym that they neglect their families. How much value should we believers place upon these bodies and upon extending our lives? Should there be any difference between how we handle that and how unbelievers do? I'm not fishing for a particular answer here... I'm genuinely wondering how you all think about this. jb
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Post by elacey on Jul 17, 2017 21:02:23 GMT -6
JB wrote:
Question - Our culture is obsessed with doing things to stay health - or at least talking about doing things to stay healthy. I know of several people who spend so much time at the gym that they neglect their families.
How much value should we believers place upon these bodies and upon extending our lives? Should there be any difference between how we handle that and how unbelievers do?
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I think that God wants us to take care of our bodies... To treat our body like an earthly temple... with utmost respect. I've been blessed with a strong body and most of my life until my mid 30s I was like Superman in that my strength and constitution were very high. I ran into several health issues which I won't get into most recently diabetes type 2 high glucose. I've had to cut back on everything I like. With everything I've been through I must say at 48 I an fit and strong. I think God wants me to take care of this body as it serves several purposes... The main on being too perform my duties as a father to my boys.
Your question is a deep one and we could write an awful lot but I would say...
1. I believe our culture in general is obsessed with cheese burgers and ice cream and over eating... And this is a bad thing. We should not over eat, or drink too much alcohol. Everything in moderation. The main thing is we should take care of our earthly body as it's a vehicle to fuel our mind, which is a platform for study of Gods word and finding spiritual connection.
2. Those of us blessed with a good physical form should not obsess over fitness or how we look. This is missing the point of our Godly purpose and glorifying ourselfs... Pushing us away from God and going towards self worship and fleshy thought process.
We need to find balance and stay focused and humble
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Post by lindas on Jul 20, 2017 16:17:58 GMT -6
Eric - Glad to hear from you again! I've missed you too. You wrote: Awaiting the new body... 1.We should not be too at home in this earthly body. For the young with seemingly perfect earthly bodies, the message is that your beautiful body will not last. The the sick and diseased and adding and elderly... The "ugly" noon famous normal masses... Average people... Don't get too fixed on wishing you had a better earthly body. For this only takes you away from God. 2. Be confident as a believer that God will provide you with a perfect body when Jesus returns. In the meantime until that day, he has given us the Holy Spirit. We live our live as a Christian by FAITH... Not by sight. We know that God will reward us for our obedience as we choose the path of living for God. Question - Our culture is obsessed with doing things to stay healthy - or at least talking about doing things to stay healthy. I know of several people who spend so much time at the gym that they neglect their families. How much value should we believers place upon these bodies and upon extending our lives? Should there be any difference between how we handle that and how unbelievers do? I'm not fishing for a particular answer here... I'm genuinely wondering how you all think about this. jb
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Post by lindas on Jul 20, 2017 16:29:45 GMT -6
Please bear with me guys, trying to figure out how to be in sequence with the posts. Not sure what this is going to look like. Jb You asked: "How much value should we believers place upon these bodies and upon extending our lives? Should there be any difference between how we handle that and how unbelievers do? " Read more: seektruth.boards.net/thread/105/2-corinthians-5-1-10#ixzz4nPeyQqLtInterestingly, I had to deal with that very issue over the past 4 years particularly regarding my dad (who passed this January). I believe similarly to Eric in so far as we should take care of our bodies because it's a temple. I also believe that we should care how we look, our appearance, what we eat and do with our bodies etc but we should not worship our bodies. I think this is the main difference between the believer vs the unbeliever. In everything that we do to ourselves we give a testimony of our belief. As far as extending our lives, I believe we should do all that we possibly can while knowing that at some point He will trump our efforts. Otherwise we could be tempting God as in well, if God wanted us to stay alive he would heal etc without our doing anything. We do need to find a balance. When my dad became dependent, there were those who wanted to hasten him along, withdraw food, etc. but I did not agree with that and felt that we should do all we possibly can and when God is ready He would let us know. I am so glad I had put my foot down on that. He taught us so many things in the 4 years I cared for him in my home, I wouldn't have wanted to miss that for anything. When he passed, I was right there holding him and had the hymn "I need thee every hour" playing over and over again. Watching him go, the way he did, gave me a peace that I cannot explain. But suffice it to say it buttressed my faith immensely. And I'll tell you it was VERY challenging at times. Hope this makes sense.
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